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[hercules-os380] Use for pdos
julialday@yahoo.com [hercules-os380]
2018-08-16 19:17:18 UTC
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There are projects designed to give every child a laptop.

How about this. When someone with a laptop has a hard disk crash, instead of throwing away the laptop, boot to usb floppy and run pdos plus a touch typing tutorial.

Paul
Mike Schwab Mike.A.Schwab@gmail.com [hercules-os380]
2018-08-16 22:12:52 UTC
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Well, a full blown Linux OS with GUI and a Hercules Emulator will fit too.
Post by ***@yahoo.com [hercules-os380]
There are projects designed to give every child a laptop.
How about this. When someone with a laptop has a hard disk crash, instead of throwing away the laptop, boot to usb floppy and run pdos plus a touch typing tutorial.
Paul
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julialday@yahoo.com [hercules-os380]
2018-08-17 00:29:36 UTC
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In 1.4 mb? I dont think so

Paul
Mike Schwab Mike.A.Schwab@gmail.com [hercules-os380]
2018-08-17 00:35:12 UTC
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50MB. And hard to find USBs under 2GB.
Post by ***@yahoo.com [hercules-os380]
In 1.4 mb? I dont think so
Paul
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julialday@yahoo.com [hercules-os380]
2018-08-17 13:56:49 UTC
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Even if the usb stick is 2 gb i thought it may need to be formatted to 1.4 mb because the bios may only allow emulation of a floppy rather than a hard disk

Paul
Gerhard Postpischil gerhardp@charter.net [hercules-os380]
2018-08-17 17:32:28 UTC
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Post by ***@yahoo.com [hercules-os380]
In 1.4 mb? I dont think so
And to think that OS/360 ran just fine on machines with a half meg, and
1 and 2 MB machines were considered extravagant.

Gerhard Postpischil
Bradford, VT

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Mike Schwab Mike.A.Schwab@gmail.com [hercules-os380]
2018-08-17 20:59:34 UTC
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IBM / MS DOS 3-6 ran to 5 floppies, and Win 3.1 was 6 floppies. Win
95 / OS/2 Warp 3 was 40+ floppies each.
On Fri, Aug 17, 2018 at 1:18 PM Gerhard Postpischil
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In 1.4 mb? I dont think so
And to think that OS/360 ran just fine on machines with a half meg, and
1 and 2 MB machines were considered extravagant.
Gerhard Postpischil
Bradford, VT
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julialday@yahoo.com [hercules-os380]
2018-08-18 03:56:59 UTC
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Hi gerhard. Msdos runs fine in 640k too. Youre mixing disk space with memory. Also, core msdos fits on a 360k floppy. Ie io.sys msdos.sys command.com fdisk format sys xcopy

You need an editor too though

Paul
Gerhard Postpischil gerhardp@charter.net [hercules-os380]
2018-08-18 12:19:38 UTC
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Post by ***@yahoo.com [hercules-os380]
Hi gerhard. Msdos runs fine in 640k too. Youre mixing disk space with memory. Also, core msdos fits on a 360k floppy. Ie io.sys msdos.sys command.com fdisk format sys xcopy
You need an editor too though
IIRC, the original message I saw was ambiguous and used "storage". If
you want to quibble, OS/360 and mainframe DOS could be run with 0K disk
space - IPL from tape. But the IBM systems could be run on a 64K
machine, and occupied less than that on disk. But then, even the
smallest used disk, the 2311 at 200*20*3695 had a 14 MB capacity.

The earlier 1301, etc. were used on the 7000 series, and were much, much
less capacious, even though huge by modern standards. IBM did offer a
version (2301, 2303) adapted for the 360 - these beasts could be set for
either 6-bit or 8-bit bytes, and had to be formatted by the C.E.


Gerhard Postpischil
Bradford, VT

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'Fernando M. Roxo da Motta' mvs@roxo.org [hercules-os380]
2018-08-18 15:36:34 UTC
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Post by ***@yahoo.com [hercules-os380]
In 1.4 mb? I dont think so
Out of curiosity, if it does boot from USB floppy, wouldn't it boot
from a pendrive as well?




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julialday@yahoo.com [hercules-os380]
2018-08-19 00:25:25 UTC
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I’m not sure what a pendrive is but by usb floppy what i meant was a usb stick with a floppy disk image written to it. I’m not sure what bioses support. Maybe they all support hard disk images. Another question i have - did they ever make laptops with 8086 or 80286 processors?

Paul
Joe Monk joemonk64@gmail.com [hercules-os380]
2018-08-19 01:55:45 UTC
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The COMPAQ SLT 286 comes to mind...


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I’m not sure what a pendrive is but by usb floppy what i meant was a usb
stick with a floppy disk image written to it. I’m not sure what bioses
support. Maybe they all support hard disk images. Another question i have -
did they ever make laptops with 8086 or 80286 processors?
Paul
Giuseppe Vitillaro giuseppe@vitillaro.org [hercules-os380]
2018-08-19 10:47:11 UTC
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Iÿÿm not sure what a pendrive is but by usb floppy what i meant was a
usb stick with a floppy disk image written to it. Iÿÿm not sure what
bioses support. Maybe they all support hard disk images. Another
question i have - did they ever make laptops with 8086 or 80286
processors?
syslinux or grub will be happy to boot any OS PC from any media supported
by your BIOS. If you BIOS recognize an USB pen, of suitable size, as a
bootable device, syslinux or grub will try to boot from it a CD, DVD or HD
image.

Your BIOS may even be able to try to boot from network, using PXE, on a
completely diskless system, if you have the right things up and running
on your local area network (dhcp, tftpd, ftpd or httpd).

It is what I normally use to boot crashed systems from my network, to
restore an OS bacula backup.

Floppies are memories of the past, it is even difficult to find a floppy
installed on a notebook of the last ten years.

When I'm "disconnected" from my personal networks, any USB dongle may boot
a complete hercules environment.

The oldest of my notebooks, an ACER of 1999, would boot in its 512Mb
memory a suitable Linux distro able to IPL at least an MVS3.8j, from
USB, CD, floppy or PXE.

To find a system with less than 64Mb, I would need to go back at least to
the middle of ninety, I should still have one of the these systems around.
Here things begin to become interesting ;-)

For less than 64Mb, I would need to be lucky enough my oldest PC, a 486DX
with 16Mb, 1991, still boot from a floppy, if even still turn on
correctly, after 20 years of silence.

That the only system I still own, which would require to boot from a
floppy. I guess its BIOS woudn't be able to boot from an IDE DVD and
finding an IDE or SCSI CD may start to become difficult in these days
(still possible I guess). This has an ISA bus architecture, so, boot from
PXE is probably impossible.

Peppe.
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'Fernando M. Roxo da Motta' mvs@roxo.org [hercules-os380]
2018-08-20 03:56:10 UTC
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Post by ***@yahoo.com [hercules-os380]
I’m not sure what a pendrive is but by usb floppy what i meant was a
usb stick with a floppy disk image written to it. I’m not sure what
bioses support. Maybe they all support hard disk images. Another
question i have - did they ever make laptops with 8086 or 80286
processors?
Ok, I think I got the point. The idea seems to be booting the PDOS
directly from this floppy image. I was going to suggest boot (e.g) a
linux image and then start hercules with whatever desired system.

Thanks.
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